Start of #Exalted buffer: Wed Apr 15 22:19:25 2009 [17:28:30] Get IC, everyone [17:28:38] * Demota is now known as Eilenia [17:28:47] * NovaSeaker is now known as Eve_Kasnora [17:29:11] * Fuuko (demota@c-76-126-71-112.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #Exalted [17:30:11] I think what bothers me most about Left Behind (Outside of it being reactionary anti-christian propaganda masquerading as legitimate) is how *badly* it's done. [17:30:47] Wait, it's anti-christian? [17:30:48] Like, in the first hundred pages, there's a nuclear war averted by an obvious miracle, and then nearly a third of the world population disappearing. But nobody cares about *either* of these events. At all. [17:30:58] Well, it's pro-crazy-Christian [17:31:03] Aah [17:31:15] Like, the kind of Christian that relishes the idea of their political and personal enemies being damned. [17:31:16] Yeah, I heard about that. "Derp, allthe children vanished. Too bad about that." [17:31:39] o_O [17:31:44] Not the kind of Christian who actually embodies God's love like, you know, the religion is supposed to endorse. [17:32:24] Is that what it's supposed to endorse? [17:32:33] I thought it was supposed to endorse the free market and the Republican party. [17:32:54] (Premillenial dispensationists, which is the crazy branch in question, believe that all the sermons Jesus gave about being good to others and works and faith being two sides of the same coin, don't apply now. They only apply after Jesus wrecks the world and starts up the thousand year kingdom of heaven.) [17:33:06] wow [17:33:18] They also want to make the world actively worse and set things up to summon Jesus and kickstart armageddon. [17:33:34] It's like a mix of conservative short-sightedness mixed with sorcery. [17:33:38] Holy shit [17:33:51] That's gotta be officially heretical. [17:34:10] Well, the thing is, there's really nobody other than the pope to declare things officially heretical [17:34:18] Yeah [17:34:22] And people who believe this think that Catholics aren't real Christians [17:34:22] What, he's one? [17:34:29] Oh I see [17:34:40] So the pope condemning them really doesn't matter in their worldview. Or might be a positive thing [17:34:45] heh [17:34:49] Yon, you here? [17:35:06] To be honest, I've gotten super jaded by Christianity in general. All I ever hear regarding Christianity is awful. By the time I hear anything decent being done in the name of Christianity, I wonder what the real story is. :( [17:35:10] Cha, do we get an extended rest while in dwarftown? [17:35:13] Yeah [17:35:17] :toot: [17:35:26] awesome. [17:35:31] Healing surges... HOOOO! [17:35:34] Dem: The thing is, only bad news gets reported, and it's easier for people to do bad things on a large scale than good things [17:36:02] Yeah, and humans have evolved to remember bad stuff more than good [17:36:09] Like, there are actually evangelical Christian charities that try to work to bring charity to the poor and all that because good works are a cornerstone of certain branches of Christianity [17:36:25] But they really don't get much press compared to fundamentalist evangelicals doing terrible things [17:36:37] I have beeen learning a few things I didn't realize, though [17:36:51] * Yon is now known as Paera [17:37:08] Like, I questioned Mads a few months ago, and he told me that Catholics don't actually believe that all non-believers will burn in hell and be tortured for all eternity. [17:37:18] Not in this age, anyway [17:37:30] I wonder what pope changed that [17:37:42] One of the really good ways the Enlighenment interacted with Christianity was getting rid of that, actually [17:37:55] Enlightenment meaning Renaissance? [17:38:06] Meaning 18th century white-man's-burden globalism [17:38:10] aah [17:38:20] Like, originally, one of the awesome parts about Heaven was the Abominable Fancy, which was getting to chill with God and seeing all the savages and heretics burning in Hell [17:38:35] Which was both supposed to make you appreciate Heaven more and *be entertaining* [17:38:41] Wow [17:39:00] uhg [17:39:20] I'm happy to hear that part about officially not believing non-catholics will burn in hell. [17:39:28] I've personally never believed it, and neither did my family. [17:39:43] Must've been the Vatican II convention? [17:39:45] And then the Enlightenment happened, and people realized that it was their duty to bring Christianity to people rather than enjoy the fact that they were going to suffer because nobody brought Christianity to them. Of course, missionary work wasn't universally a great thing, but at least it was a cultural shift for European Christians [17:39:54] (Which also SPELLED OUT that Genesis was A METAPHORE) [17:40:10] * Eilenia nods [17:40:23] Nova: It was actually more of a secular shift that led to a difference in Church thinking to keep up, I think. It was *way* before Vatican II [17:40:52] Especially since Protestants also abandoned the idea of the Abominable Fancy, as far as I can tell from what I've read [17:40:55] Cool [17:41:45] Well, does that shift all the way to "noncatholics get to go to heaven too if they're good", or just "we should care about noncatholics going to hell because that's horrible, so lets try to convert them to catholics so they get to go to heaven"? [17:42:44] The latter, I think. Though I think Catholocism's always had an aspect of 'Works and faith are interconnected, so anyone who does good things must be godly, even if they don't know it'. [17:43:04] * Eve_Kasnora nods. [17:43:53] Hell, Jesus even had the sermon about sheep and goats, explaining that the sheep were people who didn't know Jesus but worked in his name, and they would get into heaven, and the goats were people who claimed to know Jesus but performed no works, and wouldn't. [17:44:09] So I think that 'good people go to Heaven' has been Catholic doctrine from the start [17:44:15] Huh. I never heard that analogy [17:44:21] Oh awesme. [17:44:35] I didn't hear about that part, but I'm SO glad it's there. [17:45:18] 31 to 46 [17:45:18] http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2025&version=31 [17:49:31] Have I? [17:49:43] If you want to have, yeah [17:49:59] He probably wouldn't have turned you away, though he's been busy organizing dwarves. [17:50:07] My favorite premillenial dispensationalist moment: When I learned that one of my uncle's parents were DEPRESSED when the USSR collapsed. Why? Because they were looking forward to them getting their ass kicked at the battle of Armageddon. :facepalm: [17:51:07] Honestly, I've become a lot more pro-Christian since I met Jen and fell in love, in part because I think that 'Invisible Sky Man' is a better explanation than pure chance as to how someone's life could have so many razor's-edge chances that lead to me meeting them. I'm not, like, a full-on confirmed Christian, but I've at least come to think of it as a distinct possibility. So who knows! [17:51:09] Hahahahha, wow [17:51:29] Geez [17:52:27] Yeah. [17:52:34] I guess I'm kind of taking the Dr. Manhattan route to religion, in that something happening with infintesmally low chances is a miracle, even if it happens through entirely worldly means. :| [17:52:42] I mean... sooo many things had to happen for me to decide to move to Florida. [17:53:02] I can only look at it as a sign that something good is waiting for me there. [17:53:29] You're gonna meet a 72-year-old cougar and move into her rent-controlled condo. :| [17:53:30] Cha: I see it that way too. [17:53:35] Hah [17:53:50] (It actually sounds terrible, but after a few years she dies and you're on easy street) [17:54:40] ....Is- Is the term for a sexually active elderly woman still 'cougar'? I think there needs to be a different kind of big cat. [17:54:41] Jaguar. [17:55:07] Cougar is more around the... 40s. [17:55:13] And they're usually still attractive. [17:55:15] Yeah. [17:55:26] I've seen some marginally attractive super-old women. [17:55:33] Heh [17:55:53] Which sounds *really* weird, but when you're working in a nursing home for eight years you see basically every kind of old person imaginable [17:56:19] Honestly, I have a hard time telling age among Asians [18:04:37] I am now hosting GT [18:07:02] I just want to say that "Fascinating" isn'tmeant in any sarcastic way at all [18:07:17] In case it wasn't clear, Thorwal was actually asking the female dwarf and then getting a response from her and interperting it [18:07:32] * Eilenia nods [18:07:49] * Eve_Kasnora nods. [18:08:17] Black Snake Moan is a stupid stupid movie, btw. [18:08:33] :O [18:08:41] heh [18:09:22] I never would have guessed [18:10:14] he is? [18:10:20] What was he doing at the docs? @_@ [18:11:01] What kind of self-respecting dwarven leader would send his clansmen to die? [18:12:03] I thought he'd be back at the clan protecting them from orcs [18:13:39] He left his son back in the caverns [18:13:59] * Eve_Kasnora nods. [18:16:46] I forget [18:16:54] What was the kobold's part of the deal? [18:17:08] That they would show the tunnel they used for raids, IIRC [18:17:22] Sorry, back [18:17:25] re [18:18:23] Oh, Nova, i looked it up today, and apparently Ao is a Maori god of light [18:18:29] oooh [18:18:55] Whats a Maori? [18:19:18] One of the people the Europeans conquered. [18:19:50] That really narrows things down, Dem. :I [18:22:21] They were the indiginous New Zealanders [18:23:16] huh [18:25:58] Dem [18:26:02] five minutes? [18:26:03] Yeah? [18:26:05] What? [18:26:21] damn :/ [18:26:21] A signal doesn'tneed to last for long if it's just to tip off "We're in" [18:26:35] I was thinking light something, then dismiss it when we're inside [18:26:44] The light going out would be the signal [18:26:45] I can dismiss it as a free action [18:26:50] We'd had the light to Thorwal [18:27:07] hand* [18:27:47] I like the idea of Eilenia casting the Light directly on him. :V [18:28:15] hahahah [18:28:38] haha [18:31:56] Hey Yon [18:32:12] Whatcha doin? [18:33:56] Paera is mostly just listening. [18:35:41] Strategy not really being her thing. [18:36:55] Dwarven elders are no fun. :( [18:36:58] She has a strategy. [18:37:03] FAITH IS STRENGTH [18:38:15] Oh, and make the world worse so it gets destroyed and Erathis makes a paradise. :| [18:39:39] Anyone going to call the side? [18:41:28] Paera knows Elena is pulling shenanigans. :colbert: [18:42:31] Eve thought she was talking to Thorwal. [18:43:13] Well, I'm taking answers from anyone. [18:43:26] Feel free to make up sides too. The only side I figure is a given is a head of state. [18:44:12] *Eve* thought she was talking to THorwal. So she isn't calling. [18:45:18] Hahahaha [18:45:18] Charter pilot Ken Ritz promised to fly Buck Williams to New York City, or as close as he can land. That turns out to be Easton, Pa. Perhaps to distract Buck from the fact that he's getting dropped off 70 miles from the city, Ritz changes the subject: [18:45:28] Did the kobold just talk common? [18:45:31] Yeah. [18:46:49] Also, 5-foot tall kobold? Guy's a giant! [18:47:04] There's a kobold in an online article that's medium [18:47:04] S'like a 7 foot human. [18:47:14] Oh yeah I remember that one [18:47:15] I figure that like dragons, kobolds keep growing as they get older [18:47:29] And most of them just don't live as long? [18:47:34] It's just that most of them get killed by newbie adventurers before they get to the great wyrm stage, yeah [18:47:41] Hah [18:48:29] Really? There are enough adventurers around to impact a species' demographics? [18:49:00] GelCube [18:49:27] Well, you never hear about the kobold societies that adventurers don't come across, do you? :| [18:49:30] Hahahah [18:49:31] Here the travel narrative becomes difficult to follow. Jenkins is as obsessed as ever with the logistics of planes, trains and automobiles, but the rest of Buck's journey seems to take place in an alternate geography in which the subway goes all the way across New Jersey and the island of Manhattan is 30 miles long. [18:49:38] hahahah [18:49:54] hahaha [18:50:37] Hahahah [18:51:10] Is it unreasoable to assume I can dispell prestidigitations? [18:51:25] It says I can sustain up to three at a time [18:52:10] I figure wyrm is a term of respect. [18:52:23] Hahahahah Aboard this karmic two-wheeler, Buck soon "cruised into midtown between the snarl of wreckage and wreckers." So he gets off the train at Penn Station, walks for many miles, rides a bike several more miles, then arrives in midtown Manhattan. In the geography of LB, Manhattan is a Moebius strip or an Escher staircase. [18:52:32] Yeah, both of those things seem correct [18:56:24] Yon: I cna't think of anything that'dwork forthe "Tails" bit. :| [18:56:37] Though now that I think about it, there's nothing tailish about the "tails" part of the coin. [18:56:43] It's just an opposite of "head" [18:56:57] yeah [18:57:27] Though Eve's awesome tookus is an excellent piece of tail. [18:58:03] No one wants used goods. >:( [18:58:19] Pfft. Yeah right. [19:00:10] ... I'm curious now. [19:00:21] I think "tookas" is the very firsttime I've seen that word written out. [19:00:27] I wonderwhat its etymolgoy is [19:00:30] tuckus? [19:00:42] I think it's jewish? [19:02:09] I think it's tuchus [19:02:12] And yeah, Yiddish [19:02:38] huh [19:02:43] It sounds more ... I don't know. [19:02:50] I'd have guessed Greek or something [19:13:55] so they went back to the dwarven tunnels, right? [19:15:15] Yeah. At least, so far as you can tell [19:15:47] * Eve_Kasnora nods. [19:17:53] Huh. The reason that the Hebrew god is never given a proper name is because the other gods in that region were believed to be commanded by their names. Like, in a direct application of the 'names have power' thing [19:18:00] Huh. [19:18:28] Yahweh is an abbreviation of a Hebrew phrase meaning "I am what I am", which is a phrase that's deliberately obfuscative, with undertones of "Don't ask that question again" [19:18:37] Sort of like the Hebrew 'Sore wa himitsu desu' [19:18:49] hahahaha [19:19:00] That sounds like a really Jewish answer. [19:19:05] "WHo are you?" "I am what I am." [19:19:47] That's beasically exactly what happened, yeah. [19:20:07] Moses saw the burning bush and was like "WHO ARE YOU STRANGE VOICE COMING FROM THAT BURNING BUSH?" [19:20:14] "I am what I am. Shut up." [19:20:18] hahah [19:21:06] Yeah [19:21:29] This came after Jacob wrestled God to a standstill and asked for his name and God was all "GOD AWAAAAAAY!" and disappeared [19:22:02] So Moses probably knew it was the same god, but wanted to find out his name (possibly for reasons of getting power over him, since that's kind of what you did with gods in those days) [19:22:14] hahahahaha [19:23:57] * MattyQ (mattyqwill@c-75-67-221-215.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #Exalted [19:24:06] * MattyQ is now known as Plow [19:24:19] Heeeeeeeeeeeeeey [19:24:21] Oh look. It's the warforged that isn't evil. Wink. Wink. :| [19:24:31] Why do you think he's evil? :( [19:24:34] For reference, Matt, you guys just got into the Horbek's Glory citadel [19:24:40] Cause he said he was definately evil. [19:24:49] Guys, I'm just Definitely Evil. [19:25:00] Hey Matt. [19:25:13] Especially now that I'm a zomb-o. [19:25:21] Kay, Horbek's Citadel, gotcha. [19:25:21] Matt: Yeah, we basically just had the kobolds show up and show us how to get in, and coordinated it to the dwarves attack the front gate while we inflitrate. [19:25:24] Heya Yon [19:25:30] (And all) [19:25:32] I'm hosting GT [19:25:52] Should we start getting our pogs ready? [19:25:54] Cha: Thanks for putting it like that, I'm imagining God wearing a cape now. [19:26:15] hahahah [19:26:22] What a sad llama. :( http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/410289/akizuki_ritsuko-braid-brown_eyes-brown _hair-idolma [19:26:40] Charles, I got tagged to be a zombie during the mission [19:26:47] and literally the crowd of zombies all cheered. [19:26:48] o_o [19:26:52] Hahahah [19:26:56] Ahaha [19:26:56] DVD! DVD! DVD! [19:27:06] That lama looks so sad [19:33:45] Can I make a perception roll? [19:33:54] Sure [19:34:00] 1d20+19 [19:34:01] Plow rolls 1D20+19: 9 +19 = 28 [19:35:46] The hallway seems entirely empty. You don't notice anyone nearby. [19:39:48] oh cool [19:39:53] http://danbooru.donmai.us/post/show/363293/-akizuki_ritsuko-bent_over-brown_hair-glasses-idol Hahahaha [19:39:54] I think I made that stair pog [19:40:04] stairs go up, right? [19:40:06] Yeah [19:40:19] It's the only stair pog we have, so every staircase is a spiral staircase. :| [19:40:28] heh [19:40:44] There are the abstract straight lines I use for stairs. [19:42:24] Dem: You referring to the drow, or the elf/eladrin split? Cause I thought the latter was more of a gradual divergence. [19:42:26] Yeah, I don't like them [19:42:41] The drow. [19:42:43] oh :( [19:42:57] If I made stairs, they'djust be > or < like Nethack. :/ [19:43:10] I think those stairs are alright, but I wish they had a more opaque background [19:43:19] Maybe space the straight lines to simulate depth [19:43:21] I have trouble reading the stairs as anything that implies height [19:44:56] I learned today that "vorpal" is a word the Lewis Carroll created. [19:45:00] Heh [19:45:22] Eve doesn't want her race-sundering secrets to get out :( [19:45:49] We probably shouldn't be talking i this stealth missio. [19:45:51] :downs: [19:45:52] Yeah, learning that was pretty :psyduck: [19:45:53] The Horrible Truth: She created eladrin by fucking the black out of the drow. [19:46:08] What are you talking about, Dem. [19:46:12] Counterpoint: Once you go black, you never go back [19:46:19] Stealth missions are all about talking. Constantly. [19:46:24] hahahahahahahahaha [19:46:33] Can I make a stealth roll to talk quietly? [19:46:58] Hahahaha, this documentary I'm listening to on the evolution of monotheism had this thing about how compassion became a much larger aspect of religions once people started urbanizing. And they said that the Hebrew god caring more about stealth than animal sacrifice represented a large break from pagan traditions [19:47:00] 1d20+2 [19:47:00] Plow rolls 1D20+2: 19 +2 = 21 [19:47:12] And all I could think of was one of the Europa Universalis government policy sliders [19:47:17] hee [19:47:31] That goes from, like, Plutocracy to Aristocracy or Narrow-Minded to Innovative [19:47:39] Or from 'Compassion' to 'Animal Sacrifice' [19:48:41] You mean "stealth" to "aimal sacrifice" [19:48:58] stealth=compassion? I'm lost. [19:49:23] And they said that the Hebrew god caring more about stealth than animal sacrifice represented a large break from pagan traditions [19:49:38] Hahahahah, derp. [19:49:46] That was me getting two conversations crossed in my head [19:50:06] Though to much more interesting ends than the original statement, I guess [19:50:10] this is a solo sneaking mission. [19:50:14] YOU WILL SACRIFICE A GOAT [19:51:01] Maybe if the Hebrew faith emphasized stealth more, they wouldn't have got so many people pissed off at them over the centuries. :( [19:53:23] so where are we? [19:55:26] poke poke [19:55:53] Guys, I'm going to be AFK for a short bit - I'll be around if a battle starts, but until then, assume I'm following you around [19:56:03] (or if I say I'm back, of course) [19:56:04] ._. [19:56:05] Sorry [19:56:11] just have to take a quick moment [19:56:13] hokay [19:57:17] http://www.jinx.com/women/shirts/geek/buffy_staked_edward_womens.html?cs=6&csd=1494#bigdesign [19:57:58] Whatever, you notice it instead, then [20:00:17] Hahahaha [20:01:11] alright [20:01:14] hm [20:01:36] Intimidate [20:01:42] 1d20+2 [20:01:43] Eve_Kasnora rolls 1D20+2: 4 +2 = 6 [20:01:45] fuck [20:01:51] :( [20:02:01] I guess you gotta say something (6)-worthy. [20:02:10] (can we assist?) [20:02:27] On the map, the blocks are shelves, the blocks with slashes through them are stacked with enough boxes to block LOS [20:02:33] (group Intimidate?) [20:02:34] I just delivered a pretty flat demand that wouldn't be intimidating at all [20:02:45] (yes/no?) [20:02:48] The others just give concealment. Or cover if you're against them [20:02:55] Well, you can try to Aid Another [20:03:07] Sure, why not [20:03:14] 1d20+3 [20:03:15] Eilenia rolls 1D20+3: 1 +3 = 4 [20:03:17] I fail [20:03:56] 1d20+3 [20:03:56] Plow rolls 1D20+3: 13 +3 = 16 [20:04:14] DC 10 to assist, yeah? [20:04:20] Yeah [20:04:30] So we're up to 8. [20:04:33] woop [20:04:43] Forced to use force is an awful line [20:05:01] haha [20:06:59] Can Paera turn it into a 10? [20:07:06] 10 is pretty much the absolute minimum DC [20:07:47] You're honestly asking Paera, of all people, to try to be intimidating? :P [20:07:55] She just needs to flash some horn [20:08:06] Init time! [20:08:11] 1d20+2 [20:08:12] Eve_Kasnora rolls 1D20+2: 19 +2 = 21 [20:08:14] d20+7 [20:08:16] EAT THAT ORCS [20:08:17] 1d20+7 [20:08:18] Eilenia rolls 1D20+7: 3 +7 = 10 [20:08:23] I read that as "EAT THAT MANY ORCS" [20:08:26] 1d20+6 [20:08:26] Plow rolls 1D20+6: 9 +6 = 15 [20:08:29] 1d20+3 [20:08:30] Paera rolls 1D20+3: 2 +3 = 5 [20:08:30] haha [20:08:48] Like, Eve just charges through orc lines with her mouth wide open [20:08:58] And they're just being bowled over and sliding down her maw [20:09:16] WHy do people keep thinking Eve is a monster? :( [20:09:34] Because she slaughters potentially innocent orcs and kobolds? [20:10:13] Duno [20:10:14] Eve is just being... stretched thin. [20:10:23] Just like Nova. :( [20:10:26] 1d20+6 [20:10:27] Charles rolls 1D20+6: 6 +6 = 12 [20:10:31] Probably because she's so obsessed with The Eye. [20:10:36] THey might be calling themselves Nerath, but fuck all if they've been ACTING like Nerath. [20:10:43] Eating and stretching? [20:10:45] So... [20:10:49] (Charles) [20:10:49] oh god [20:10:51] Eve is Noby Noby Boy? [20:10:56] ...? [20:10:57] (I don't think my character can, in good faith, attack Nerathi) [20:11:01] Why is Eve so upset about the use of Nerath's name, anyway? I'm curious. [20:11:20] She's from Tsavarago... I've screwed up the name. [20:11:24] Because Tsavarogorov was Nerath. [20:11:40] Kosovo is Serbia. :| [20:11:55] Matt: I think that's a valid stance here, though it'd put the group at a disadvantage. :/ [20:12:01] 1d20+3 [20:12:01] * Eilenia nods. "So Nerath natioalism is pretty big there?" [20:12:02] Charles rolls 1D20+3: 1 +3 = 4 [20:12:02] 1d20+3 [20:12:02] 1d20+3 [20:12:02] Charles rolls 1D20+3: 20 +3 = 23 [20:12:02] 1d20+3 [20:12:02] And her grandfather who raised her when her parents died was a Knight Protector trained by THEE Knight Protector of Nerath and was the husband and guardian of the last princess of Nerath. [20:12:03] Charles rolls 1D20+3: 1 +3 = 4 [20:12:03] Charles rolls 1D20+3: 20 +3 = 23 [20:12:17] Does she know that, though? [20:12:23] 1d20+3 [20:12:23] 1d20+3 [20:12:23] Charles rolls 1D20+3: 18 +3 = 21 [20:12:24] Charles rolls 1D20+3: 3 +3 = 6 [20:12:28] No, but the man was probably proud of being Nerathi [20:12:31] And raised her so. [20:12:31] heh [20:12:35] That works well [20:12:44] (I mean, honestly, since I've been playing Plow as a Nerathi nationalist so far) [20:12:53] Also, Eve sort of has Nerath as an ideal. [20:12:56] Like being proud of the South. Except without being a total retard. [20:13:09] It makes sense historically. I mean, parts of Rome didn't know they weren't part of Rome once Rome got fucked [20:13:23] So people from anywhere probably see themselves are still Nerathi [20:13:31] 1d20+3 [20:13:31] 1d20+3 [20:13:32] Charles rolls 1D20+3: 10 +3 = 13 [20:13:32] Charles rolls 1D20+3: 16 +3 = 19 [20:13:37] I don't think its an ideal that most Tsavarogorovian people hold. [20:13:41] I wonder if I should still try to set the timeline years based on "AFter Nerath" [20:13:52] I think nowadays they're too isolationist to consider themselves anything but Tsavarogorovian. [20:13:57] * Eilenia nods [20:15:31] 1d20+7 [20:15:32] 1d20+7 [20:15:32] Charles rolls 1D20+7: 6 +7 = 13 [20:15:32] Charles rolls 1D20+7: 8 +7 = 15 [20:15:42] So Eve holds Nerath as this kind of golden age of honor and justice. And its always just been an immaterial idea until now. She's in Horbek's Glory, which should be a dwarven city, just like Tsavarogorov was a human nerathi city and still is a human city, and now Orcs have moved in and are claiming to be Nerath while the dwarves go starving. [20:15:54] * Eilenia nods [20:15:56] She's calling bullshit and slaughtering the honorless pretenders. [20:16:17] (What she THINKS are honorless pretenders) [20:16:51] She's calling bullshit and slaughtering the honorless pretenders. [20:17:08] Matt: Does Plow remember orcs being soldiers in Nerath? [20:17:31] Charles? He was there a hundred years ago. [20:17:41] I think there were probably some civilized orcs there, but I sort of figured they're rare. [20:18:16] This would be like the equivalent of... visitng Peurto Rico and finding out all the actuall citizens are starving to death slowly on a group of rafts and a bunch of pirates living in their houses claiming to be peurto rican. [20:18:30] * Eilenia nods [20:18:41] Alright, init order? :3 [20:18:46] Yeah, I figure there were probably Orcish soldiers in Nerath, but not often [20:18:51] I can't update it for some reason [20:19:01] The chanel topic? [20:19:02] I can't update the channel topic [20:19:04] odd [20:19:08] As a US territory, someone who is a US patriot would be insulted. [20:19:25]