Start of #Exalted buffer: Wed May 06 22:04:44 2009 [17:24:37] ETA to gametime? [17:24:44] I think when the content for getting 100% is put out of the way I [17:24:48] 'm okay with avoiding it [17:24:51] Five minutes [17:24:54] nice [17:24:58] * Demota is now known as Elenia [17:25:01] People who're here, get IC and get in-channel [17:25:14] * Mechazawa is now known as Xan [17:25:22] * MattyQ is now known as Plow [17:25:40] Like, with Mass Effect, I seriously had to invest time in out of the way places [17:25:41] * Yon is now known as Paera [17:25:53] Yeah, I tripled your playtime in ME. x_x [17:26:02] In Assassin's Creed, what I needed to do to get 100% on an assassination was clearly marked on the map [17:26:09] * NovaSeaker is now known as Eve_Kasnora [17:26:09] And I felt bad for not doing what the game told me [17:26:10] Truenuff. And most of it was a pain in the butt. [17:26:55] We took a short rest, right? [17:27:04] Oh, speaking of which, Saints Row 2 was a pretty good non-linear game, but I got to a part where the plot really turned me off. Like, the first two gang story arcs I played through were pretty standard, workmanlike crime stories [17:27:06] (in our conversation-check-point time?) [17:27:11] Oh? [17:27:15] And then the third one was *incredibly sadistic* [17:27:20] I've considered SR2- oh. [17:27:21] And I just don't think I can keep playing [17:27:26] aw [17:27:42] Like, it starts with a rival gang boss offering your gang boss 20% on a weapons deal if they ally with each other [17:27:45] And yeah, short rest [17:28:02] And the Saints' boss flips his/her shit at only being offered 20 percent [17:28:50] Oh, neat. Mike Nelson's doing a live riff on the 15th [17:28:51] Leading to kidnapping a mechanic and forcing him to wire the gang's trucks to blow, and then stealing some nuclear waste and mixing it in with the rival gang's boss's tattoo ink [17:29:47] In revenge, the rival gang kidnaps a member of your gang and drags him behind a truck, and he's too maimed to live in the process. So the Saints' boss kidnaps the rival gang boss's girlfriend and locks her in the trunk of a car that the rival gang boss crushes during a monster truck rally [17:29:52] Geez [17:30:19] Wow. That actually does sound like a "murder simulator." [17:30:22] And the main character is fine with this, and this is what the old GTA fans want. [17:30:48] And then, after telling the rival gang boss what he did, the Saints' boss goes to a rock show being put on by the rival boss's tattooist, and ends up breaking his hands so he can't tattoo *or* play guitar [17:31:04] Well, there are parts of Saints Row that're more whimsical and closer to San Andreas [17:31:13] This was a real departure from tone from the rest of the game [17:31:18] Yeah, I was enjoying watching my friends play the game up until that point. [17:31:45] And they were all "What? This is a good revenge story!" :psyduck: [17:32:45] geez [17:33:02] I'd almost be okay with it if it was more clearly a revenge story. [17:33:09] Charles, can you op yourself in #ODal? [17:33:15] But the boss starts it with *deforming the other guy's face*. [17:33:25] I'm not sure how we can change the topic otherwise [17:33:27] And then the guy who was dragged behind a car is *never mentioned again* [17:33:31] I can't, no [17:33:34] Everybody out [17:33:39] I'm out [17:33:50] Last one out, tell me when you're out [17:34:08] Out [17:34:15] Out [17:34:19] out [17:34:28] Okay, back in [17:34:57] why are we playing hokey pokey? [17:34:58] POst the starting lines again? [17:35:01] I did another /clear [17:35:02] I think what it comes down to is that Saints Row 2 is kind of just a power fantasy, and I'm really just *done* with that being the core of a game's narrative [17:35:05] Nova: So he can change the topic [17:35:11] ah [17:35:29] I dunno. You kinda liked that about No More HEroes. Though that was more a deconstruction of the power fantasy [17:35:31] I think Godfather II is probably my next big buy, unless Dokopan Journey comes out first [17:35:45] Well, first as in, when I have cash money [17:35:51] Why not just register the channel? [17:36:00] I've heard that Godfather II is fundamentally broken [17:36:05] I don't know how. :| [17:36:15] I did a playtest for Godfather II. [17:36:29] It was alright, I guess? I didn't like driving, though [17:36:44] If I'm the big mob boss, why am I the one driving the car? [17:36:53] I've heard the difficulty arc is really low for the single player, but I'm cool with that, I just like the premise of the strategy. [17:37:18] Cha: /msg chanserv REGISTER channel password description [17:37:24] Also, I'm singularly obligated to play every mafia-related game that comes out [17:37:25] There we go [17:37:30] because my childhood dream was to be part of the Italian mob. [17:37:49] I'm now hosting GT [17:38:02] You should talk to nova about that [17:38:05] He's halfway there [17:38:30] It's not just the difficulty arc. It's, like, a bunch of core game features just don't work. [17:38:39] Oh, I never heard that. [17:38:44] Some walls don't exist until you get close to them, some mission types have AI that completely shits itself [17:38:49] Damn [17:38:55] But I wouldn't be surprised - that's pretty much the state of modern video-gaming. [17:38:56] Gamespot had a pretty comprehensive review that addressed that [17:39:12] Halfway? [17:39:14] Oh, also, I'm hoping that Red Alert Uprising can be our next major purpose. :| [17:39:23] There's no such thing as the mafia. [17:39:29] Well, that still requires card-money ._. [17:39:36] They're just business men. [17:39:36] Nova: Yeah. Matt wants to be part of the Italian mob, and you're part of the Italian. [17:39:52] Maybe you could teach Matt how to do stuff like talk with your hands [17:40:23] "How do you keep a mob witness from talking?" "Tie his hands up." [17:40:38] hahahaha [17:40:59] Are we applying a short rest? [17:41:01] Yeah [17:41:04] Woo. [17:41:12] Also, I'm thinking we're going to go into a skill challenge here. [17:41:23] oh [17:41:24] cool [17:41:25] Athletics? [17:41:28] o_o [17:41:30] To run up the stairs? [17:41:32] what's the challenge? [17:41:33] heh [17:41:36] STAIR CHALLENGE BEGIN [17:41:41] The objective is to get to the orcish general before the dwarven army does. [17:41:44] Endurance! [17:41:44] winner is the Stair Master. [17:41:46] * Plow snorts. [17:41:52] heh [17:42:01] We have to find a quicker way up then [17:42:14] okay.. uh... [17:42:23] I'm not going to dictate what skills can be used. As long as you can justify them well (Endurance for not getting tired climbing up huge numbers of stairs, history for city layouts that provide shortcuts, whatever) I'll allow it more or less [17:42:26] Dungeoneering, Athletics, Endurance... [17:42:41] Anyone with knowledge History? Basics of dwarven-built nerathi fortresses and any loopholes we can find? [17:42:53] I've got History. I'm not sure how well it'd apply from Elena [17:43:02] Oh, does anyone know what DMG update the new skill challenge DCs were in? [17:43:13] * Plow has pretty solid History and Dungeoneering. [17:43:24] She's a foreigner, though she might have a general idea of how fortresses in general are built. Does that seem a decent justification [17:43:29] Oh, I thought I had solid dungeoneering. [17:43:30] No idea, can't you just open up the latest DMG update? [17:43:31] Cha: The updates should be consolodated [17:43:31] Apparently it's 7. [17:43:37] +13 to HIstory here [17:43:38] I have nothing remotely useful! [17:43:42] +11 to history [17:43:44] I could assist history. [17:43:54] Yon: What've you got trained? [17:44:09] Maybe you could Heal a surviving downed guy and he could give us directions? [17:44:20] I'll roll Endurance, I got +11 in that. Also, Charles, is the fortress damaged at all? Maybe I can Acrobatics over a broken staircase that the dwarves had to go around. [17:44:25] I didn't know wether they were cumulative [17:44:30] They are [17:44:36] They are, yeah [17:44:40] Insight, heal, religion, arcana, [17:44:42] I figure that it's probably somewhat broken-down. [17:44:58] Also, let's go in alphabetical order for skill challenge 'initiative'. [17:45:00] Heal could work that survivor angle if Cha can accept it [17:45:05] Okay, rolling endurance first for pure huffing it up some stairs. [17:45:16] Elena, Eve, Paera, Plow, Xan? [17:45:18] * Eve_Kasnora sets mode: -o Eve_Kasnora [17:45:31] History [17:45:35] 1d20+13 [17:45:37] Elenia rolls 1D20+13: 9 +13 = 22 [17:45:42] Clearly we should have a bonus based on the fact that we are taller than the dwarves. :V [17:45:48] Yeah. [17:45:50] And less hairy. [17:45:51] ... [17:45:55] more aerodynamic, ya know. [17:46:47] Just so everyone knows: Last session's fight was a Milestone [17:46:54] Gain 1 AP [17:47:15] Whoo [17:47:22] Do I have to wait for Dem's sucess/fail? [17:47:26] Goddamnit, Firefox is stalled [17:47:29] :/ [17:47:29] Nah, go right ahead [17:47:45] I'm not going to be able to judge pass/fail until I can open this fuckin' PDF. >:( [17:47:46] I can try sending the update over AIM or something [17:48:03] 1d20+11 Endurance for huffing it up stairs at a fast, even pace [17:48:04] Eve_Kasnora rolls 1D20+11: 2 +11 = 13 [17:48:09] :gonk: [17:48:14] That is probably a failure. :| [17:48:19] Fuck you Fuuko. You always give me shitty rolls. [17:48:28] * Plow gives Fuuko a pre-emptive starfish. [17:48:29] 1d20 [17:48:30] Plow rolls 1D20: 9 [17:48:36] Yeah, fuck you, Fuuko. o_o [17:48:38] I wish I had my RPGA cards for this :/ [17:48:50] * Plow still has like fifty RPGA cards somewhere. [17:48:58] If anyone wants RPGA cards. x_x [17:49:01] I use one in my stack that lets me, once per session, declare a "take 10" after failing a skill check. [17:49:09] Different kind, I think. :| [17:49:18] Oh. [17:49:21] I mean the reward cards [17:49:29] I never got far enough to have rewards. [17:49:37] You just need the password [17:49:42] and the pdf [17:49:47] They stopped mailing them out [17:50:05] Are they for game events? [17:50:30] Alright, that's a success on Eilenia's part [17:50:49] And a failure on Eve's [17:52:16] Hey Dem, has Eilenia ever been to the Darkbad? [17:52:35] gt up? [17:52:42] Am I allowed to pass my turn? [17:52:47] GT is up [17:52:51] She has not been to the Darkbad [17:52:59] Yon: What's your Heal modifier? [17:53:04] Why pass Yon? [17:53:10] If Charles will let that heal thing fly, then you can contribute [17:53:22] Nova: Did you hear the latest podcast? [17:53:27] Yeah, I'd be cool with that. [17:54:00] Okay, if I can do the heal thing, then sure. [17:54:26] whose pass? [17:54:43] nm, got it [17:54:49] On skill challenges? Yeah [17:55:44] I'm glad that one guy said "pretty much, almost all the time, player's want to know they're in a skill challenge" [17:55:53] Yeah [17:56:19] Cause in the previous podcast about skillchallenges they mention it was really cool finding out they were in one. But in this one the guy realizes it was cool cause they aced it. [17:56:20] It's like... "OKay, roll intiiative." "Combat time!" "I'm not saying if you're in combat." [17:56:49] My LFR DM doesn't tell us when we're in skill challenges. [17:56:58] I think that working a skill challenge into an adventure can work if it's going to happen over a longer period of time [17:57:16] And we're usually just staring at him dumbfounded as to why a 20 diplomacy didn't work on a random npc [17:57:23] yeah [17:57:28] Like if, say, you have a skill challenge that is 'go across the evil kingdom to the evil king's castle', and you can branch it across several sessions [17:57:36] Without telling the PCs because that weirds it up. :| [17:57:38] Anyway, can we keep this one going? What's the hold up? [17:57:49] I think Yon froze up in panic [17:57:59] Because he said he'd make a check, but I never saw a roll. [17:58:07] Yon, do you mind sharing Paera's sheet with me? [17:58:26] I was waiting for someone to tell me it was my turn for...some reason [17:58:29] 1d20+11 [17:58:30] Paera rolls 1D20+11: 9 +11 = 20 [17:58:34] Success [17:58:49] If you know it's your turn, you shouldn't wait. [17:58:57] Kay, my turn, neh? [17:59:05] indeed [17:59:11] Should I like... dungeoneering at the new passage? [17:59:17] Or just... history again? [17:59:18] We're in a skill challenge? [17:59:20] Or pass? [17:59:25] Prolly just history, I'm thinking [17:59:40] Rusty: Yeah [18:00:08] Ummm [18:00:11] Um, alright, so what are we trying to do? [18:00:21] Get to the Orc Chieftan before the Dwarven Army? [18:00:26] okay [18:00:31] Get to the top of the citadel before the dwarven army [18:00:31] I guess I'll history, but I have no idea in what context. [18:00:36] er [18:00:47] You need context to roll [18:00:51] Oh. [18:01:01] What was your dungeoneering context? [18:01:52] Because it helps you find your way through winding passages and such [18:02:16] It seemed logical. [18:02:33] So, dungeoneering [18:02:34] Ah, that works [18:02:38] 1d20+7 [18:02:38] Keep us from getting lost. [18:02:39] Plow rolls 1D20+7: 11 +7 = 18 [18:02:41] Bah. [18:02:46] That's good [18:02:53] Yeah, that's a success [18:03:03] bahyay? [18:03:06] You rolled two-digits. [18:03:11] Oh, kay. [18:03:17] Hahahaha, the KoL podcasts with MC Frontalot are great [18:03:34] Rusty, your turn [18:03:39] "Having not had a baby, I just consider my dick to be another weapon in my arsenal of physical and mental tools for disappointing women." [18:04:01] hah [18:04:16] I'll use perception to see if I notice any potential shortcuts [18:04:28] 1d20+10 [18:04:29] Xan rolls 1D20+10: 18 +10 = 28 [18:04:51] * Plow was trying not to write something really stupid. ._. [18:05:14] Awesome. State of the first round: Four successes, one loss. [18:05:24] Roll over to the start, I guess [18:05:38] Alrighty [18:06:06] Another History check... [18:06:07] 1d20+13 [18:06:10] Elenia rolls 1D20+13: 12 +13 = 25 [18:06:34] What're you trying to remember for that check? [18:06:51] This is a fight of nobles. Where do they like to make their stands? [18:07:08] I dnd't want to re-use the same justification :( [18:08:26] Alright. That's a success [18:08:43] On to Eve [18:08:46] 1d20+9 acrobatics for clearing an obstacle [18:08:47] Eve_Kasnora rolls 1D20+9: 4 +9 = 13 [18:08:52] FUCK YOU FUUKO [18:09:14] On to Paera [18:09:55] Can I, like, make a heal check to quickly patch up Eve's sprained ankle cause she keeps tripping over things? :V My best idea for not repeating the same thing. [18:10:01] hahahahaha [18:10:12] Yeah, sure. :V [18:10:24] 1d20+11 [18:10:25] Paera rolls 1D20+11: 3 +11 = 14 [18:10:28] This is so much better than the D&D game day skill challenge [18:10:30] fffff [18:10:43] Hey, it might still work [18:11:36] Not quite. :( [18:11:44] Plow's turn [18:11:48] Kay. [18:11:49] Um. [18:12:03] How many successes and failures do we have? [18:12:28] 5 successes, 2 failures [18:12:31] Cave structures breathe because of the air pressure, so I'll use my dungeoneering to determine the path up based on that...? [18:12:47] 3 failures [18:12:53] Endurance, Acrobatics, and Heal [18:13:02] That proably kills our skill challenge chance of success. [18:13:03] :( [18:13:15] Yeah :/ [18:13:17] http://img.waffleimages.com/5abc2bd289d19e77984ac05343a629cb00de31fd/657.jpg [18:13:28] You've got one more failure before you fluff the challenge [18:13:30] Wait [18:13:39] I just realized I was looking at the wrong row on this chart [18:13:52] o_o [18:14:05] It turns out that Eve's checks were both successes. :| [18:14:17] ! [18:14:24] So maybe Eve can have a pair of athletic breakthroughs right now that turn this shit around [18:14:28] Hahaha [18:14:29] Sure! [18:15:47] Dungeoneering to help Eve choose the right path, with her super speed [18:15:55] heh [18:15:57] 1d20+7 [18:15:58] Plow rolls 1D20+7: 8 +7 = 15 [18:16:24] Phone [18:16:32] ... they hung up. ?_? [18:16:50] The call is coming from INSIDE THE HOUSE [18:16:56] hahhaaha [18:17:08] Man, "INSIDE THE HOUSE" got less exciting after the advent of the cell phone [18:17:34] It's still pretty creepy. [18:17:39] True [18:17:55] I mean, if someone's inside your house and calling you via cell phone, they could be creeping up on you *right now* [18:18:23] This sort of reminds me of that problem I have when I'm really distracted and stressed and I start responding to questions people ask me IRL by typing the answers into IRC [18:18:40] So we're at... 7 successes, 1 failure? [18:18:43] Plow P/F [18:18:47] ... [18:19:14] (Cha?) [18:19:32] Was 15 a success cha? [18:19:47] Yeah [18:19:53] Sorry, I totally missed the roll [18:20:10] 8 successes 1 failure with that success [18:20:17] http://img.waffleimages.com/df323769ca4e8291e058c723ad6116ee7840d6c7/Dragon_Knights_volum_1_cover.jpg what [18:20:21] Alright, that's a completed skill challenge [18:20:24] Whoo! [18:20:53] Hooray! [18:21:09] Wow. The sourdough starter at the Boudin Bakery is over 150 years old [18:21:36] This is bread that survived the 1909 earthquake [18:22:00] Wow. [18:22:14] Post it, Matt, and I'll wrap this up [18:22:22] I'm going to have to eat more sourdough [18:24:58] Sorry about that [18:25:05] Harper was saying good bye [18:25:18] Harper's leaving? [18:25:27] Wait, Harper's *here*? [18:25:29] Well, he's here on borrowed time right now, since he was studying abroad [18:25:51] * Charles nods [18:29:49] I think it's interesting that Martial Power seems to put special emphasis on Dragonborn and Tieflings [18:30:12] For Warlords, at least [18:30:43] Yeah [18:30:56] Just so everyone knows: Skill Challenges count as an encounter, so if we have a fight, use your action point. After the fight, we'll hit another Milestone and get an AP back. [18:31:05] Huh, interesting [18:31:25] Charles: I'm hosting GT, by the way [18:31:29] A whole continent of soldiers? D: [18:31:58] Yeah. Australia. :| [18:32:01] Compliement. :( [18:32:09] I don't think we have an extinction level event with us. :| [18:32:09] I meant, like, ten. [18:32:25] contingent? [18:32:25] Hahaha [18:32:34] hahaha [18:32:39] 'Compliment of soldiers' is a phrase, I think. [18:32:43] If not, contingent works [18:32:45] Yeah [18:32:50] I parsed it as contingent [18:32:59] I read contingent [18:34:25] Who's trained in Diplomacy? [18:34:36] Is GT up yet? [18:34:50] I've said twice already that my GT is up. :( [18:34:57] Oh, for those with a passive perception above 15: [18:35:10] Mine is 14. :( [18:35:25] Mine is 19 [18:36:38] 16! [18:37:18] Man... I wanna grab some stuff from Boudin again. Maybe this weekend [18:37:36] mine's 20 [18:39:09] 14 [18:39:19] my Passive Insight is 19 [18:39:38] Alright. From his reaction, that's enough to tell that you guessed right. [18:39:41] Passive INsight makes me so happy [18:39:46] okay [18:40:04] I hated in 3e how they treated insight like perception [18:40:18] I REALLY hated it. [18:41:34] And time for my diplomacy [18:41:50] wish I woulda saved Astral Voice for this... [18:41:58] We can Aid Another, yeah? [18:42:01] 1d20+7 Diplomacy DON'T FUCK ME OVER FUUKO [18:42:02] How many of us can Aid? [18:42:03] Eve_Kasnora rolls 1D20+7: 1 +7 = 8 [18:42:08] Hahahaa [18:42:08] FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK [18:42:09] ...... [18:42:10] Hahahahahaha [18:42:13] Elven Accuracy, reroll that [18:42:16] * Eve_Kasnora strangles Fuuko [18:42:35] * Plow is still outside of the room. [18:42:52] Anyone have a good Diplomacy check that can try to make a check to un-do Eve's mistake? [18:42:54] I've got a +3 [18:43:14] Nothing about Plow is diplomatic anyway. [18:43:48] Everyone just pile on the aid anothers, I guess [18:44:03] "Yeah! That's Savage!" "Stop being so savage!" "What she said!" [18:44:36] I guess I'll try. I can at least bump hers up to a 10, which is minimally acceptable [18:44:37] 1d20+3 [18:44:39] Elenia rolls 1D20+3: 9 +3 = 12 [18:44:44] 1d20+7 just for kicks you sadistic bitch [18:44:45] Eve_Kasnora rolls 1D20+7: 17 +7 = 24 [18:44:48] FUCK YOU [18:44:50] I HATE YOU [18:44:52] I'm gonna go ahead and start looking for viable sniping posituibs [18:45:01] *positions [18:45:55] Is this on GT yet? [18:46:07] Or maybe it doesn't need to be? [18:46:08] I'm drawing it out in lulls in the action. [18:46:08] I dunno. [18:48:08] I figure that's a good "rolled a 1" on a diplomacy [18:48:28] "Look. I just said what you wanted to hear so you'd listen to me. Now do as I say or get beat up." [18:49:22] "How the fuck should I know if how this tangly rainbow shit works?" [18:49:34] Hahahaha [18:49:43] *-if [18:49:52] (Compliments of Yakuza 2) [18:50:11] So I don't need to ask for clarification IC, do you mean a course of action in the senate, Rusty? [18:51:14] I think he means the orc would be wiser to take his chances with the senate and submit to us [18:52:00] I wish I had bluff, or some sort of hand singals. [18:52:17] I'd tell Elena to grab one of my swords with mage hand and keep it ready for me [18:52:23] That's what he means [18:52:40] If the orc is projecting a loss on both ends, then there's no sense in fighting [18:54:33] Eve just fell into the orcs' rhetorical trap. >:3 [18:55:03] heh [18:55:16] Eve is Definately Evil. [18:55:17] Hey Yon, try out an arc called Blight, goon-made. Doc Photon is recommending it. [18:55:19] Nooo! :( [18:55:33]